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#1 dogma1029

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 01:24 PM

This is more of a curiosity than anything else but I thought that I would share this with you.

A co-worker recently gave me a HP Pavillion dv9310us laptop that wouldn't work and was destined for the trash. I'd like to think that he meant recycling. rolleyes.gif  Anyway...

The laptop would turn on and off every 15 seconds or so and would not post. Also no video would display on the screen itself or an external monitor.
It looked like such a neat laptop that I thought that I would give it my best attention. The thought of a decent free laptop was very appealing plus I like to be able to figure things out. I usually don't give up without a fight.
It seemed obvious that it was a motherboard problem so I started searching the net for whatever I could find out about HP laptop problems. I didn't have to look far. It seems that HP and Nvidia are connected with this issue all over the Net. Some of you may know this already but I never had any reason to look up the information before.
So what I was reading at first, was that it was a defective graphic chip supplied by Nvidia. HP seems to shun the whole situation, shame on them, because most of these laptops are dying within months of the end of the warranty. Some people reported getting an RMA from HP but most have gone on unsatisfied or have paid the expense of having HP replace the motherboard all together.
Now that is the ironic part of this experience because there is nothing wrong with the graphic chip.
The problem lies with the motherboard itself. Or more accurately the process it goes though when being manufactured. The problem is cracked solder joints. I spent many an hour researching different websites and forums to agree with this conclusion. So how much does it cost to fix? Pay HP over $250 to fix it? Not a chance nonono.gif  I fixed it for free (except the cost of Arctic Silver thermal paste).
The first method that I tried, from better thinkers than me, was to bake the motherboard in an oven. The idea is to put the board in a 385f oven for 8 minutes and then let it cool. Well the thought of putting a motherboard in my home oven didn't sound too appealing to me. The smell of burning plastic and who knows what else coming from the board would be sure to linger a while. I'm married you know and I want to stay that way.
"Honey, why does the roast smell like an experiment from Radio Shack?"

So I am lucky enough to have access to an industrial oven at work and decided to use that. I set the temperature for 385f. and placed the board in there for 8 minutes exactly. At that point I opened the door and turned off the oven to let it cool down gradually.
When I reassembled the laptop enough to see if it would work I was disappointed to find that this blackart voodoo had not worked for me.
Well, I figured that maybe the temperature was too low for the size of the oven I was using. It's about 10 times the size of a home oven.
So I decided to go on a different route. I still wasn't going to cook it in my oven at home. Relying on work again I took home a digital temperature probe and a heatgun.
I covered the plastic parts with foil and started by heating the whole board. I had taped the heat sensor right next to the graphic chip. I did that for about 2 minutes before really concentrating on the chip area exclusively. I used circular motions with the heatgun and stopped when the temperature peaked at the 385f. mark.
I let it cool by itself and then reassembled the laptop. Wouldn't you know it but it actually worked!  smilie_tanz_009.gif   It started up like a trooper and loaded right into Windows. It's a funny process, more of a last Hail Mary attempt.
I did redo the heatsink adding a larger copper shim to the board over the graphic chip to replace the thermal spongy pad that HP uses. I also added an app to check temperature and so far it seems like a new computer. Well it's new to me and it's all mine!!!

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#2 dogma1029

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Posted 13 December 2009 - 04:43 PM

I get to tell my co-worker tomorrow that the laptop works and no he is not a tech, he's an electrical engineer.  laugh.gif


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Posted 14 December 2009 - 05:36 PM

I guess that this kind of "fix" started with graphic cards. It was the same problem so I guess it was only a matter of time before someone baked their motherboard.
I've seen videos of people cooking it in the oven, using the heatgun method that helped me and the most amazing one.......don't try this at home kids nonono.gif .. is to put a tea light container on top of the graphic chip with some kind of flammable liquid inside it and light it. Crazy ways to get the same result it seems.
I'm even thinking of picking up one of the dead ones from ebay to see if I can give my mom a new laptop.  giggle.gif  I'd be her favorite son!
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Posted 07 January 2010 - 12:07 PM

Actually this was exactly the same problem that the first generation XBOX 360 had and the fix was EXACTLY the same smile.gif  The cause of the problem actually has to do with poor heat dissapation inside the machine so it is no surprise that this same problem occured with a laptop. The motherboard would buckle in the center where the graphics chip usually is because of the intense heat and cause the solder points on the chip to soften and crack..

If you want to make sure that the same problem does not come back to haunt you later I would look in to some sort of fan modification so as to increase the flow of air through the machine..

Just for giggles try googling xbox 360 RROD fix and see the tutorials pop up.. most of them tell you to fix the problem using this same heat gun method.. People have been doing it for quite some time now smile.gif

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Posted 08 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

HP had a bios update that causes the fan to run for longer to help with the heat dissipation.  As I said previously I also added a copper shim to the fan assembly to help draw heat away.

I've seen some of those videos. I do A LOT of research.
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#6 george.mikal

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 04:16 AM

thanks for sharing information...

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:16 AM

I have read similar stories on reviving "bad" video cards, kinda cool!

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:14 PM

Great this will really help to do some introspection.





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